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Swain



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Triad Pairs Reply with quote

Something I find very useful, is just mixing and matching 2 different Triads.



Just starting with the Diatonic Triads in a Key. This will open the door, for a Non-Diatonic Triad to help "Hear" the Altered Notes.

EX: Key Of G

G + Am

G B D + A C E

Works great over Maj. or Dom. Chords, as it contains no 7th. But, it has the R, 3, 5, 2/9, 4/11, 6/13.

I particularly like using the 4 as a nice Tension.

Or,

G + D

G B D + D F# A

R 3 5 M7 2/9

Both of those work well over Pop and Traditional Tunes. Great for Bluegrass and Country Tunes also. And I really like them over older Swing type Tunes.

Bluesy? Well, now we're talkin'!

How about:

G + Dm

G B D F A

Using the Non-Diatonic Dm Triad, you get an F. A b7.

So, R 3 5 b7 9

G9

Ahhhh!

How about something a little more "Modern"?

2 Major Triads, a Whole Step apart, will work great!

G + A

G B D + A C# E

R 3 5 2/9 #4/#11 13

G13#11(no7)

Again, no "7". So, works great over Major, or Dominant Chords/Keys.

(As you can see, I really like the ambiguity of no 7 to pin things down. Save that Tone for later. Tension Baby! LOL)

2 Minor Triads, a Whole Step Apart? Let's see;

Gm + Am

G Bb D + A C E

R b3 5 + 2/9 4/11 6/13

Gm13(no7) or, Gm6/9add11

Lots of possibilities.

One thing about the 2 Triads a Whloe Step apart, is that they are very easy to visualize. And, it allows for some nice Symmetrical type fingerings. A great way to start employing "Altered" Tones. Once you get a few Lines and Phrases under your fingers, you might just start preferring some of those "Altered" Tones.

Anyway, LOTS to work with! Polychords, Altered Tones, etc.

In fact, this is a favorite Chord Voicing of mine:

Low to High: E/3 A/X D/0 G/2 B/3 E/2

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Swain



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7 "Views" and no comments, good or bad?

Anybody ever mess with this type og Concept?

Maybe a practical example would open up discussion?

Here's a "Hands-On" example.

A Bluesy application.

You know the old "Sliding 6ths." Allman Bros. Lick from Stormy Monday?


-|-----------|---------------|----------------------------|-|-----------------
-|--3-3/5-3--|------3/5------|--------3-5p3-----1/3-1/3---|-|-----------------
-|--2-2/4-2--|----2-----4----|------4-------4---2/4-2/4v--|-|-----------------
-|--3-3/5-3--|--3---------5--|--3h5-----------5-----------|-|-----------------
-|-----------|---------------|----------------------------|-|-----------------
-|-----------|---------------|----------------------------|-|-----------------

This would be played over a G7. I figure they were thinking G7/Dominant. This move is outlined in the first "Measure" of the above Example.

So, b7 2/9 5 sliding up to R 3 6/13

Well, I LOVE this Form as a pair of Minor Triads! So here's my take, in relation to the Triad Pairs concept:

Dm to Em

Dm = d f a
Em = e g b

The Roots are on the B String, here. These 2 Triads are shown in the 2nd. "Measure" of the above Example.

And, whenever you see a Dominant Chord, play the Minor Pair, from the 5th. and 6th. of the Dominant "Parent" Chord.

Really opens up the Blues Scale.

The 3rd. "Measure" above, is a Phrase you can plug into a Blues, over a G7 Chord.

Now, for the more adventurous:

Add that b3 of the G Blues Scale, and you've got some cool Chromatic action. Kind of leads back to that E Blues Scale/G Blues Scale (Minor 3rd. Apart), and you can get Out really smoothly.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 "Views" and no one wants to talk? On a Discussion Forum? Razz

Okay, I'll drop it. Just thought it would be fun to get everyone's "Take" on some of this stuff.

Ciao for now!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just tuned in....let me print this out and digest....I'll get back to ya

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool!

Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:42 am    Post subject: Re: Triad Pairs Reply with quote

Swain wrote:
Anyway, LOTS to work with! Polychords, Altered Tones, etc.

In fact, this is a favorite Chord Voicing of mine:

Low to High: E/3 A/X D/0 G/2 B/3 E/2


That's a good one, the ole' D over G sound. Lots of fun ways to play that chord like:
E/3 A/X D/7 G/7 B/7 E/X
E/X A/10 D/7 G/7 B/7 E/X
E/X A/X D/5 G/7 B/7 E/5
E/X A/10 D/12 G/11 B/10 E/10

I had a song once that switched between E over A and this chord, D over G.

A nice open voicing for E over A that sounds good even on acoustic is E/X A/0 D/2 G/4 B/2 E/4 - always loved that one....

Many of this triad stuff is explained in detail by Jimmy in his master class at Atlanta Institute of Music. I posted a rather lengthy discussion, complete with graphics (whatta dork), in this thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI - if you put your tab inside Code brackets, it will display correctly:

Code:
-|-----------|---------------|----------------------------|-|-----------------
-|--3-3/5-3--|------3/5------|--------3-5p3-----1/3-1/3---|-|-----------------
-|--2-2/4-2--|----2-----4----|------4-------4---2/4-2/4v--|-|-----------------
-|--3-3/5-3--|--3---------5--|--3h5-----------5-----------|-|-----------------
-|-----------|---------------|----------------------------|-|-----------------
-|-----------|---------------|----------------------------|-|-----------------
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks like a nice mix: A and Eb

And your graphics are really nicely done, too! How do you do that?

I'm going to mess around with the Chord Voicings you've mentioned. Maybe I can write a Tune or two!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swain wrote:
And your graphics are really nicely done, too! How do you do that?

I created that with Adobe Fireworks, an easy to use graphic program. I also created blank guitar neck charts with space for comments that you may find useful here:

http://www.grahamspice.com/docs/blank_guitar_neck_charts.pdf
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! I'll probably be able to use those Diagrams.

I guess I gotta learn some basic Graphics Techniques. Heck, I'm still trying to figure out how to use "Progression" and haow to insert "E-Z- Drummer" patterns into SONOR!

Helplessly lost......... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use those blank neck charts when I teach lessons. They make it really easy to write out a quick scale or chord for a song we're working on. I haven't been teaching many lessons this year but maybe I should try to find some students. Teaching the basics of music generally helps me regain focus in my own playing.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a cool sound: Mixing and Matching between any of these 3 Triads, C E Ab

I am using these 3 Triads over a C Chord, or a C7.

Also, Mixing and Matching between any of these 3 Major Pentatonics: C E Ab

It's a cool sound I picked up from studying the playing of Steve Kimock, and some of his Theories.

Let me know what you think.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a Bump, to see if anybody here is alive!?!
Shocked

Am I the only one who comes to this Forum?

Do any of you guys ever practice?


Do you have anything to share?

I'm about to give up on this place! Laughing

Come on, Mang!

"Step away from the Bong!"
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you want to talk about? I've been playing gigs and recording music. Honestly, I'd rather work than discuss. Not enough gigs in Arkansas to keep you busy? Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey!

Well, I like to play also! But, I'm something of an insomniac these days. So, sometimes this is a good second best.

Also, I'm always looking for new perspectives.

Are we the only 2 JH Fans that actually visit this Board? Laughing

Here's something cool:

http://www.guitaredge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93:bop-rock-with-mike-stern&catid=58:web-exclusive-lessons&Itemid=93

I like the note groupings, and the "Triads" he's using. Lots of good, useable ideas here.
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