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Art of Rhythm confusion?

 
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Drude
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:08 pm    Post subject: Art of Rhythm confusion? Reply with quote

Hi

I'm new on the site but it's lookin good so far! I do have a question which may be a bit obvious to most of you but not my good self so here goes...

The early section of the art of blues rhythm when Robben introduces the basic three string partial chords C,F and G, the tab advises to play over G7, then over C, then over Dm.

What exactly am I supposed to be doing here? Playing the CFG chords over a G7 chord, or over a G7 chord progression, or neither? I presume the correct answer, whatever that is applies to the C and the Dm also.

Somebody please put me out of my misery!


Ooh also I'm very excited as I'm taking delivery of my new Godin Summit CT tomorrow!! Woo Yay! lol

Drude
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frank0936
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:49 am    Post subject: Welcome! Reply with quote

Welcome to the group! I think Robben is talking about playing over a single chord vamp to see how the three note forms will fit each one. However, I'm at work right now and don't have access to my copy. I'll check it again later.
Hope you enjoy your time here,
Frank
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Drude
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:31 am    Post subject: Thanks! Reply with quote

Hi Frank

Thanks for the reply, (and the welcome) that's really helpful. Sometimes things just seem too simple, when in fact they are pretty straightforward.
If you have any further thoughts they'll be appreciated.

Thanks again.

Kev
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Budda
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I remember correctly, I think RF is talking about using 2 or 3 of those Triads to make up some Rhythm Parts.

The basic Theory on how this works, is that C F and G are all DIATONIC to the Key of C.

So, they all will sound good when mixed and matched.

And TRIADS aren't Partial Chords. They are complete. Common Wisdom dictates that a Triad (Group of 3 Different Notes) is in fact, the most Basic of Chords.

The Notes of each Triad could be looked at like this:

Over the Dm,

C = b7
E = 2/9
G = 4/11

F = b3/#9
A = 5
C = b7

G = 4/11
B = 6/13
D = Root

Over G7,

C = 4/11
E = 6/13
G = Root

F = b7
A = 2/9
C = 4/11

G = Root
B = 3
D = 5

Over C,

C = Root/Tonic
E = 3
G = 5

F = 4/11
A = 6/13
C = Root/Tonic

G = 5
B = M7
D = 2/9

Now, if you look at the very important "ii V I" Changes in C, you get this:

Dm G C

Or, to move beyond Triads:

Dm7 G7 CM7

This is an important "Chord Change" to not only know, but to understand.

But, back to what RF was (I think) talking about.

If the rest of the Band is playing a C Chord, I could use the Notes from those Triads (C F G) to make up some cool Rhythm Parts.

If I hop back and forth between the C and the F Triads, I will be using Notes that help to add "Extensions" to the Basic C Chord.

This has the Effect of making the simple C Chord sound more like a CM13, or a C11.

And the variations are many! So, you gotta lace up your boots and get explorin'!

Hope this helps.
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Drude
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:55 am    Post subject: Lots to think about! Reply with quote

Hi

Wow! Thanks for your reply..it has given me a lots to think about. I'm much clearer about what I need to do now...but obviously in guitar, as in life the more you learn the less you know...so like you say I gotta 'get explorin'

I love this site!

All the best..

Kev
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Budda
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would be a great time for some one to talk about Chord Functions. Like why a ii V I is so common.
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delstele
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Budda wrote:
This would be a great time for some one to talk about Chord Functions. Like why a ii V I is so common.



Ah yes.. Here goes because it sound's good and is an easy way for musicians to just improve over a three chord vamp...LOL
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