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Groovecross
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject: Robben's Overdrive tone Reply with quote

Hi Dave D!

Question for you and I apologize if this has been asked before but when Robben goes into a overdrive tone, does he A) just use the amp distortion B) uses a pedal for overdrive into channel A of the Dumble (or Bludo) or C) uses a combination of the pedal for overdrive into the B channel with slight distortion from the amp or ? I'm trying to figure out how much of the amp distortion he uses verses how much pedal?

Thanks very much for your help on this!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he is using his Dumble or Bludo it's always all amp. If he is using backline Fender Twins it's always a pedal - a zendrive.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thank you for the info.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the above (from our beloved captain) is true 99% of the time, but it seems that sometimes he uses the Zendrive as a boost to the drive channel for his Dumble, thats' the case I think in the Leverkusen Jazztage concert you can see on Youtube.
Lately with Renegade Creation his pedalboard included the Zen, along with the Dumble (which is not proof that he uses it, all right, but I doubt it would be on the board at all if unused).
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next question... does Robben use the midboost and/or the gain boost (eq bypass) on his amp when he goes to the bridge pickup for overdrive/solo tones?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PierreL wrote:
I think the above (from our beloved captain) is true 99% of the time, but it seems that sometimes he uses the Zendrive as a boost to the drive channel for his Dumble, thats' the case I think in the Leverkusen Jazztage concert you can see on Youtube.
Lately with Renegade Creation his pedalboard included the Zen, along with the Dumble (which is not proof that he uses it, all right, but I doubt it would be on the board at all if unused).


Not sure why he would need anything with the tan Dumble? :-)

But PierreL could be right.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groovecross wrote:
Next question... does Robben use the midboost and/or the gain boost (eq bypass) on his amp when he goes to the bridge pickup for overdrive/solo tones?

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Not sure on this - could change from guitar to guitar. I do know that the marked settings on his Tan Dumble are deep (switch on the front) down/off.

Here's a zoom in of the last show I spotted the Tan ONE.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kirk95 wrote:
PierreL wrote:
I think the above (from our beloved captain) is true 99% of the time, but it seems that sometimes he uses the Zendrive as a boost to the drive channel for his Dumble, thats' the case I think in the Leverkusen Jazztage concert you can see on Youtube.
Lately with Renegade Creation his pedalboard included the Zen, along with the Dumble (which is not proof that he uses it, all right, but I doubt it would be on the board at all if unused).


Not sure why he would need anything with the tan Dumble? :-)

But PierreL could be right.


I don't have a clue either David Smile Maybe to get more feedback.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groovecross wrote:
Next question... does Robben use the midboost and/or the gain boost (eq bypass) on his amp when he goes to the bridge pickup for overdrive/solo tones?

Thank you!
Michael Lewis


it seems, from what i can study, that sometimes he's using a fender amp with a zend... thus no boost... my point is (other than the Dumble related [boost switch] aspect you actually asked about)... e.g., take a tele bridge and go into a Fender and try to get to the sound that is.. shall i say: "not so" sharply trebly? or just sharp/edgy enough.

so, not only with a fender is there no such switch to kick in... even on the Dumble... as much as he mixes using different pups... that'd be a lot of kicking! yes?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PierreL wrote:
I don't have a clue either David Smile Maybe to get more feedback.


i could see that. i set up, if i'm using it, the drive channel of one of my amps and use its switch specifically for that over-the-top purpose.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tan Dumble (#102) has a OD channel (sort of), PAB (pre amp boost = EQ Bypass) for both channels AND the deep switch is actually a mid boost. No idea how often he uses it though.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey just saw that on TGP after the Renegade Creation shows (in Oakland) :
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Robben seemed to enjoy playing with the pedals, used them more than I recall seeing him use pedals (other than wah and volume) in the past.. Slap delay on and off, zen used as a "zen->clean" a couple of times, but more often as a boost to the OD channel a few times when he wanted to take things a bit over the top.


So it seems correct.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the good information guys. I've been working to see if I could match Robben's tone. I did this a couple years back with a clip of Larry Carlton -- here's that clip: http://www.radicaltone.com/MLGdemos/MLvrsLC.mp3

the clip goes back and forth between Larry's lines and mine. We did a contest and only one person got close to figuring out which lines were Larry and which were me.

I tried for years to do the same thing with Robben's tone but I didn't have the right guitar or an amp that sounded close enough to a real Dumble. So I've remedied those two things and came up with this clip: http://www.radicaltone.com/MLGdemos/RFvrsMichael.mp3 -- this cuts back and forth between Robben's lines and mine. See if you can tell who is who. This was just amp and guitar, no pedals. 212 ported back cab with G1265's.

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