Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: The Major Scale
I thought I'd try to pick everybody's Brains, here.
I'd like to know a little more about where the Major Scale came from. Not really the entire "History" of it. But, more of the mechanical side of things.
Is it just a bunch of stacked 5ths.?
How did it get condensed into 1 Octave, as a more conventional "Scale"?
That type of thing.
If more history is needed, than fine. Just whatever you guys care to share.
I know that there are other Threads that touch on this. And I thought about posting on TGP. But, I really wanted to have a place to consolidate some of this information. And TGP gets a little bit too close to the old, "Too many Cooks in the kitchen" type of situation.
And I wanted to do more of this conversation, within the confines of a setting like this one. One where everybody is open to the types of Concepts that Mr. Kimock talks of. Dissenting opinions are more than welcome here. But, I didn't want to see the whole Thread de-railed by the multitudes of TGP.
Anyway, I hope someone jumps in here............... _________________ "Real Tomato Ketchup, Roy?"
Here's some things I think are correct. Please let me know, if I'm off on any of this.
Taking a Tonic, or a Literal Tonal Center, and multiplying the frequency of this Tone by Prime Numbers, will yield the other Notes that can be Related or Consonant to the Tonic.
Multiplying the Tonic by 2 yields an Octave.
By 3 yields a Perfect 5th.
By 5 yields a 3rd.
By 7 yields a 7th.
All of the relationships between the Tonic and each of these other Tones, can be expressed as different Ratios.
Once you find these Ratios, you can Multiply or Divide these Tones (Frequencies) but their Ratios stay the same.
This is how the Various Tones can be "Compressed" into a single Octave, and seen as a "Tonal Family", or "Key(?)".
So far, so good? _________________ "Real Tomato Ketchup, Roy?"
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: major scale
No expert no how here but... there is the geometric division of a string (1/2 = one octave = a *true* doubling of frequency - Pythagoras had something to do with the West's understanding of this, i believe, but what we know as the 12 tone scale is possibly somewhat arbitrary, an overlay, if you will, of pitches (defined by measuring off arbitrary divisions of Pythagoras' string (don't say it...)) like the fret spacings of a guitar or dulcimer. Think about the fretless intruments - you get to define your own pleasing pitch. Perhaps someone with some real knowledge would care to comment. J.R. _________________ J-R
So, I see that it's the Spine Of Fifths, with Major Thirds radiating upwards from each Fifth. So far.
E B F#
^ ^ ^
C G D
Not just Stacked Fifths.
This may be the partial answer to a question I had.
"Just how far out do we take Octave Reduction, before we're losing sight of the original Tonality?"
This turning the corner into the 3rds. off of the Spine Of 5ths. may help to keep everything within a more managable range.
We shall see...............
Now, if I'm off base, everyone please feel free to correct me.
Gotta go hang out with The Swan now............ _________________ "Real Tomato Ketchup, Roy?"
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